19 responses to “Rubus nutkanus”

  1. David Tarrant

    Todays entry sparked a little bit of UBC Botanical Garden History trivia for me.
    In 1979 The Friends of the Garden under the direction of Dr Roy L Taylor juried and mounted an extensive travelling botanical
    art exhibit. “Plantae Occidentalis” 200 Years of Botanical Art in British Columbia.
    The cover of the exhibition catalogue and the exhibit featured a rather delightful painting of what was then known as Rubus parviflorus by Ceska Oldriska.
    Todays entry also reminded me of the delicious taste of these delicate soft fruits sampled on early botanical forays in coastal British Columbia.
    Thank you Daniel for this wonderful ongoing resource of Botany Photo of the Day.

  2. Charles Thirkill

    This is why the scientific names are just as arbitrary as the common names. It is a trivial change, in my opinion.

    1. Al Schneider

      Your opinion of triviality is itself trivial. There is nothing arbitrary about Mosquin’s explanation, nor about the International Code, nor about the scientific name Rubus nootkanus. Common names, however, are arbitrary, they do not show relationships among plants, they are given by anyone for any reason, the same common name is often used for completely different species and many species have several different common names, common names vary widely from region to region in any country, and, of course, common names are not the same world-wide.

      Scientific names change because of the very nature of science: it is always trying to be more accurate.

  3. Wendy

    Sure, you can say what‘s in a name. But try using local names for plants from country to country and you‘ll soon understand the value of scientific nomenclature. Who would recognize the family term among my children for this most thankfully ubiquitous of plants: toilet paper bush.

    1. Richard Mandelbaum

      Verbascum thapsus?

  4. Ann Kent

    Oh, thank you for the comment, Wendy. In our family it was fondly termed hiker’s hankie. Right now we are enjoying the delicious fruit from the thimbleberries, brambleberries, and Oregon grape that we have encouraged to form a hedgerow around our allotment garden.

  5. Tony maniezzo

    Thanx Daniel….. Another few years of retirement and I won’t know what anything is called, lol

  6. Adolf Ceska

    This is Oluna’s unfinished watercolor that was used on the title page of the UBC “200 Years of Botanical Illustrations in BC” exhibition catalogue.

  7. Richard Mandelbaum

    The East coast Rubus most like this one is purple flowering raspberry – R.odoratus. A beautiful plant.

    1. Adolf Ceska

      I have a feeling that I read that Nuttall called Rubus parviflorus “parviflorus” since it had smaller flowers than Rubus odoratus.

  8. Richard Droker

    I don’t think that either common or scientific names are arbitrary. Besides etymological interest, both involve ways of understanding and appreciating plants. Many common names refer to how plants are used by humans. Scientific names entail evolutionary descent. Sometimes problematic, e.g. Pojar & MacKinnon on Aleutian Cress, Eschscholtz’s Little Nightmare, Aphragmus eschscholtzianus :

    “Little nightmare” alludes to the frisson of anxiety that results when attempting to spell eschscholtzianus correctly.”

    they can come in handy:

    “You can also learn scientific names to impress people, around the barbeque or at other social gatherings. Inexplicably to some, Carla Bruni married former French president Nicolas Sarkozy. She explained that, after a courtship stroll the the Élysée Palace gardens, it struck her that “he knows all the Latin names, all these details about tulips and roses, I said to my self, ‘My God, I must marry this man.’ ” – also in “Alpine Plants of British Columbia, Alberta & Northwest North America.

    There is a very good discussion of naming in Daniel Mathews’ “Natural History of the Pacific Northwest Mountains”.

    An interesting and entertaining site is http://www.curioustaxonomy.net/ e.g. :

    Archelon Weiland, 1896 (Cretaceous turtle) This turtle was 15 feet long, 4500 lbs., possibly the largest chelonian ever. In the 1966 film “One Million Years B.C.,” fur-bikini-clad Raquel Welch encounters a stop-motion giant turtle lumbering toward the sea. She alerts her fellow tribesmen by yelling “Archelon!”, the animal’s true scientific name and the only ‘real’ word said by any of the movie’s cast. All of the rest of the cavepeople’s language was completely made up.

  9. Natasha

    I have a soft spot for this excellent fruit! I think it has the most interesting flavour of all the raspberry/blackberry clan in south coast BC and describe it as “jam on a thimble”.

  10. Doug

    Looking at the Kew page cited, the distribution they show from southeast Asia seems to be based on the Flora of China, and FoC makes no mention of Rubus nutkanus/parviflorus. However the Chinese distribution for this species in the Kew map perfectly matches that of Rubus parviFOLIUS, as described in the FoC, so I think Kew is using the distribution for the wrong species. This makes me wonder what the species is in Europe that Kew maps there; Rubus parviFOLIUS is known to be invasive.

  11. Rick Mattson

    Daniel: Sorry, I didnt see your response. I dug it up on the JSTOR Global Plants site, Thnaks, Rick

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